The New World Order: The Three Sides Of The Republican Party Emerge, Will The Democrats Be Next?

 

I have only one blog site where I do regular poles and that is with YouGov. In the past eighteen months or so I believe that I have been asked the same question about four times, that being, do I believe Donald Trump to be conservative, moderate or liberal. I am a person that am a registered voting (when allowed) independent and I vote that way. I said ‘when allowed’ because in my home state if you are registered as an independent then you can not vote in any Primaries. Back to Mr. Trump, my answer has always been, moderate. Mr. Trump is caught up in the more center of the Republican Party, not being a true conservative nor is he a liberal. Yes these same divisions exist within the Democratic also. I like most Americans I believe are just totally fed up both Parties BS and we the people want the politicians to meet in the middle and get this Country moving to the good of everyone. Mr. Trumps Health Bill sank because of the Republican Party, it wasn’t the Democrats this time that screwed things up for the Republicans, it was the Republicans who messed it up, all by themselves. The Democrats just sat back and watched the show. If there are wise ones within the Democratic Party they know this ‘descent’ within the Party can strike them just as easily. If Both major parties are broken into 3 parts 30% on each end which equals 60% and in both Parties the Central equal to 40%. Like a coalition within each Party to see if the Conservatives are still the soul of the Republican Party or if the far right Liberals like Hillary and Pelosi are still the straw that stirs the Democratic Party. As an old but dear friend used to say “we shall see what we shall see.”

A new, liberal tea party is forming. Can it last without turning against Democrats?

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A new, liberal tea party is forming. Can it last without turning against Democrats?

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Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) got a frosty reception in his home state on Feb. 9, at a town hall. Angry constituents packed a high school auditorium, grilled the high-ranking congressman with questions and peppered him with boos and chants while protesters amassed outside.(Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
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Grass-roots movements can be the life and death of political leaders.It’s a well-worn story now about how John A. Boehner, then House minority leader, joined a rising star in his caucus, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, in April 2009 for one of the first major tea party protests in the California Republican’s home town of Bakersfield.

A little more than six years later, after they surfed that wave into power, the movement consumed both of them. Boehner was driven out of the House speaker’s office and McCarthy’s expected succession fell apart, leaving him stuck at the rank of majority leader.

Democrats are well aware of that history as they try to tap the energy of the roiling liberal activists who have staged rallies and marches in the first three weeks of Donald Trump’s presidency.

What if they can fuse these protesters, many of whom have never been politically active, into the liberal firmament? What if a new tea party is arising, with the energy and enthusiasm to bring out new voters and make a real difference at the polls, starting with the 2018 midterm elections?

Boycotts and outrage: A new normal on Capitol Hill?

Republicans were forced to reschedule votes for key cabinet picks after Democrats intensified their opposition to President Trump’s nominations. (Video: Alice Li, Whitney Leaming/Photo: Getty/The Washington Post)

The women’s marches that brought millions onto streets across the country the day after Trump’s inauguration — spurred organically through social media — opened Democratic leaders’ eyes to the possibilities.

With a 10-day recess beginning next weekend, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has instructed her members to hold a “day of action” in their districts, including town halls focused on saving the Affordable Care Act. The following weekend, Democratic senators and House members will hold protests across the country, hoping to link arms with local activists who have already marched against Trump.

“It was important to us to make sure that we reach out to everyone we could, to visit with them, to keep them engaged, to engage those that maybe aren’t engaged,” Rep. Ben Ray Luján (D-N.M.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, told reporters at a Democratic retreat in Baltimore that ended Friday. The trick is to keep them aiming their fire at Republicans and Trump, not turning it into a circular firing squad targeting fellow Democrats.

“Now we want people to run for office, to volunteer and to vote,” Luján added.

It’s too early to tell which direction this movement will take, but there are some similarities to the early days of the conservative tea party.

In early 2009, as unemployment approached 10 percent and the home mortgage industry collapsed, the tea party emerged in reaction to the Wall Street bailout. It grew throughout the summer of 2009 as the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pushed toward passage of the Affordable Care Act.

Many of the protesters were newly engaged, politically conservative but not active with their local GOP and often registered as independents. Their initial fury seemed directed exclusively at Democrats, given that they controlled all the levers of power in Washington at the time; the protesters famously provoked raucous showdowns at Democratic town halls over the August 2009 recess.

Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer’s first brush with the anti-Trump liberal movement came in a similar fashion to Boehner and McCarthy’s Bakersfield foray in 2009. Originally slated to deliver a brief speech at the women’s march in New York, Schumer instead spent 4 1/2 hours on the streets there, talking to people he had never met. By his estimate, 20 percent of them did not vote in November.

That, however, is where Schumer must surely hope the similarities end.

By the spring and summer of 2010, the tea party rage shifted its direction toward Republican primary politics. One incumbent GOP senator lost his primary, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) defeated the Kentucky establishment favorite, and three other insurgents knocked off other seasoned Republicans in Senate primaries (only to then lose in general elections).

One force that helped the tea party grow was a collection of Washington-based groups with some wealthy donors, notably the Koch-funded Americans For Prosperity, who positioned themselves as the self-declared leaders of the movement. For the next few years, they funded challenges to Republican incumbents, sparking a civil war that ran all the way through the 2016 GOP presidential primaries.

Boehner could never match the rhetorical ferocity of the movement. He was perpetually caught in a trap of overpromising and under-delivering. Republicans never repealed Obamacare, as they derisively called the ACA, and they could not stop then-President Obama’s executive orders on immigration. Boehner resigned in October 2015.

Democrats want and need parallel outside groups to inject money and organization into their grass roots. There are signs it is happening: The thousands of activists who protested at a series of raucous town halls hosted by Republican congressmen over the past week were urged to action in part by sophisticated publicity campaigns run by such professional liberal enterprises as the Indivisible Guide, a blueprint for lobbying Congress written by former congressional staffers, and Planned Parenthood Action.

What is less clear is whether such energy and resources will remain united with Democratic leaders — or will be turned on them, as happened with the tea party and the Republican establishment, if the activist base grows frustrated with the pace of progress.

There have been some signs of liberal disgruntlement toward Democratic leaders. Pelosi and Schumer (D-N.Y.) were jeered by some in a crowd of more than 1,000 that showed up at the Supreme Court two weeks ago to protest Trump’s executive order travel ban. Marchers showed up outside Schumer’s home in Brooklyn, demanding he “filibuster everything” and complaining that he supported Trump’s Cabinet members involved in national security.

But there are two key differences between the conservative and liberal movements: their funding, and their origins. Some anti-establishment liberal groups have feuded with leaders, but they are poorly funded compared with their conservative counterparts. And the tea party came of age in reaction not only to Obama but, before that, to what the movement considered a betrayal by George W. Bush’s White House and a majority of congressional Republicans when they supported the 2008 Wall Street bailout.

There is no similar original sin for Democrats, as the liberal protests have grown as a reaction to Trump, not some failing by Schumer and Pelosi.

Schumer remains unconcerned about the few protesters who are angry at Democratic leaders. “I think the energy’s terrific. Do some of them throw some brickbats and things? Sure, it doesn’t bother me,” Schumer said in a recent interview.

How the liberal activists respond to early defeats may be the next sign of which direction the movement takes. Their demand that Schumer block Trump’s Cabinet is impossible to satisfy, because a simple majority can confirm these picks. All Schumer can do is drag out the debate, which he has done to an unprecedented degree.

The stakes will be even higher for the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch, whose lifetime appointment still requires a 60-vote supermajority to reach a final confirmation vote. A Trump victory on Gorsuch might deflate the liberal passion, and some think that was the main ingredient missing for Democrats in 2016.

“We just didn’t have the emotional connection,” Pelosi told reporters in Baltimore. “He had the emotional connection.”

Clinton’s loss exposed the impotent elitism of liberalism

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Neoliberalism’s epic fail: The reaction to Hillary Clinton’s loss exposed the impotent elitism of liberalism

Faced with a Donald Trump presidency, the privileged elite vowed to flee the utter Democratic collapse they caused

Neoliberalism's epic fail: The reaction to Hillary Clinton's loss exposed the impotent elitism of liberalism(Credit: Reuters/Joshua Roberts)

By the time last week’s presidential election was finally called for Donald Trump during the wee hours of Wednesday morning, the initial disbelief felt by the millions of Americans who had been assured of a Clinton victory by the media had turned into shock and panic — if not yet full-blown despair. As pollsters collectively changed their predictions and news pundits started to resemble confused and dejected children, the fight-or-flight response kicked in for countless viewers. Hearts pounded, stomachs turned and some of the more privileged liberals started seriously considering whether to flee the country in the face of a national nightmare that had just become a reality (privileged, because the average American doesn’t have the resources to just pack up and run at will).

The surreal night concluded with Canada’s immigration website crashing from too much traffic, as if every alt-right Twitter troll’s fantasy had come true.

Although the instinct to flee from a Trump presidency is understandable, it reveals a great deal about the impotence of modern liberalism and its monumental failure to stop an unhinged and thoroughly unqualified demagogue like Trump.

Elite liberals who vowed to leave America if Trump was elected, which includes a slew of celebrities, are those who would be most insulated from the impact of a Trump presidency — unlike working people and seniors who stand to lose their healthcare, children of immigrants who may soon see their families torn apart, or poor people of color who could face heightened persecution under the already racist criminal justice system. Sadly, fleeing is not an option for the most vulnerable Americans. Their only option is to keep fighting; yet the first impulse that many of their professed allies felt was to do the exact opposite: to escape.

Of course, most of the “limousine liberals” who promised to leave America before the election didn’t actually believe that Trump could win. It was an impossibility. Not in their wildest dreams could the racist, sexist, misogynistic and xenophobic buffoon defeat the most qualified and deserving presidential candidate in history — no less the first women candidate. He had denigrated women, scapegoated minorities and immigrants, offended veterans and mocked the disabled. Not only that, but it was her turn! “It was supposed to be her job. She worked her whole life for the job. It’s her job,” wrote Clinton surrogate Lena Dunham (who had said she would move to Canada if Trump won) in a recent article recounting her grief-stricken reaction to the election, in which she admitted she “never truly believed” that Trump could win.

Besides all this, Clinton had received all the coveted endorsements — the editorial pages of every major newspaper, the biggest celebrities, the neoconservative intellectuals, the former presidents and statespersons. The Washington establishment was clearly with her. And then there was the Democratic Party’s supposed secret weapon: demographics. How could a candidate running on white-identity politics possibly win in an increasingly diverse country that had elected Barack Obama just four years before?

These liberals were borderline delusional — a delusion evinced by Chuck Schumer, the establishment senator from New York who was hoping to become majority leader, but has had to settle for minority leadership. “We’re going to have a Democratic generation. [President Obama] helped create it. But it’s just where America’s moving demographically, ideologically and in every way,” said the senator in an interview with Politico Magazine during the Democratic National Convention last summer. In July, Schumer made another rosy prediction at a forum hosted by the Washington Post: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

Turns out it was blue-collar voters who made all the difference. Trump won white voters without a college degree by a whopping 39 points, compared to Mitt Romney’s 26-point win in 2012. And in the industrial North (Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa), where the blue-collar vote went to Obama in 2012, Trump made huge gains and won decisively.

Demographic optimism proved to be the Democratic Party’s undoing. And it wasn’t just because of the white working class; according to exit polls, Clinton received six points less of the Hispanic vote than President Obama did in 2012, while the black and 18- to 29-year-old votes both both dropped by 5 percent.

Trump’s victory was a rude awakening for Democrats who have become all too complacent within the Washington power structure, and who mistakenly assumed that changing demographics, identity politics and sheer celebrity would be enough to stop the right-wing populism of Trump. Trump didn’t win the election because of a Republican insurgency; he won because of a Democratic collapse. He won because neoliberalism failed.

And now, as we enter a terrifying and uncertain new period in American history, the last thing liberals should do is double down on the failed politics that allowed this tragedy to occur. The Clinton campaign tried to make this election all about Trump’s hatefulness (“Love Trumps Hate”) and his “basket of deplorables,” while offering no real vision of progressive and populist change. And when those on the left raised legitimate concerns about Clinton’s uninspiring message or her political baggage during and after the primaries, they were ridiculously labeled sexist or racist “bros” by establishment figures (even though some of Clinton’s harshest progressive critics were in fact women and people of color). In a February essay, former Salon writer Daniel Denvir described this cynical political strategy in Salon as “peak neoliberalism, where a distorted version of identity politics is used to defend an oligarchy and a national security state, celebrating diversity in the management of exploitation and warfare.”

Of course, there is no doubt that the Trump campaign has rejuvenated racism and sexism in America, and no one can call themselves progressive without tirelessly combating any and all bigotry. But there is a difference between a Trump “supporter” and someone who reluctantly voted for the Republican because of their distrust or dislike of Clinton, or because he or she truly believed the billionaire could bring change to Washington (according to exit polls, “can bring needed change” turned out to be the most important candidate quality for four in 10 voters, and 83 percent of them voted Trump).

If Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” comment accomplished anything, it was to push away irritated or bitter voters who are tired of being called Islamophobic when they criticize radical Islam or racist when they contemplate voting Republican. Consider a reader over at the Atlantic, who started in the “NeverTrump” camp and claims to still “deplore” the president-elect, yet ended up voting for him anyway. His reason? What he views as left-wing identity politics run amok. “Accusations of racism are being thrown about as political weapons (mostly by white liberals) in a way that belittles the seriousness of bigotry,” writes the reader, who is white but married to a Mexican-American. “When everything is about identity politics, is the left really surprised that on Tuesday millions of white Americans, for the first time ever, voted as ‘white’? If you want identity politics, identity politics is what you will get.”

The repugnant white identity politics and faux populism of Donald Trump must be repudiated and defeated; but it is now clear that only a Democratic Party that advances a strong populist vision of universal economic and social justice stands a chance at accomplishing this. Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich has called on the party to return to its roots and become the party of the people, rather than the party of the professional elite and donor class.

“The Democratic Party as it is now constituted has become a giant fundraising machine, too often reflecting the goals and values of the moneyed interests. This must change,” observes Reich. “The election of 2016 has repudiated it. We need a people’s party — a party capable of organizing and mobilizing Americans in opposition to Donald Trump’s Republican Party… What happened in America Tuesday should not be seen as a victory for hatefulness over decency. It is more accurately understood as a repudiation of the American power structure.”

Of course, the American power structure will not change under Donald Trump — in fact, the corruption and divisiveness will only intensify and the plutocratic class will only grow fatter. The millions of working-class Americans who voted for Trump over Clinton hoping that he would clean up Washington, bring back jobs and unite the country will be sorely disappointed. In two months, Trump and his GOP will officially become America’s governing party — the establishment, that is — and every single problem this country faces will become their responsibility. And make no mistake, Trump and the Republican majority will be an utter disaster (the real uncertainty is just how painful this disaster will be for working people, minorities, immigrants, etc.).

By the time Trump is up for reelection, the supposed populist outsider will have become the establishment insider, and the broken and divided state of the nation will be his responsibility (though he will no doubt find a way to blame Obama for everything). This will present a golden opportunity for Democrats to come back strong as the anti-establishment ticket and do what should have been done in 2016: stomp out Trumpism once and for all. But the party’s ability to do this will hinge on what it does over the next several years, and whether liberalism can return to its fighting roots.

 

 

Conor Lynch is a writer and journalist living in New York City. His work has appeared on Salon, AlterNet, Counterpunch and openDemocracy. Follow him on Twitter: @dilgentbureauct.

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PDav22 minutes ago

As long as you want to discuss reality, how about a dose or two.

There is no possible way Sanders could have been elected to office.   The GOP would have eaten him alive.   Sanders has WAY too much history, chanting “Down with America” with Ortega, shaking hands with Castro – those alone would have doomed him.   Which all us “old” (and from your article I guess we’re supposed to be stupid as rocks)  liberals knew perfectly well.   The party failed by making it a choice between Clinton and Sanders – both with TONS of baggage and decades of oppo research on them.

The party has failed miserably by moving so far to the right.   This is a Clinton fault, the notion that democrats who govern like moderate Republicans can always win.   This pushed the repubs into the weird place they currently inhabit, and they dragged about 46% (by current count) of the country with them.   If we got nothing else from this mess, we got this, the Clinton philosophy of “go to the middle right on everything but civil rights” is gone.   Thank God.

As for the party MEMBERS, they also failed.   They failed by simply not voting.   Muslims who get on the registry, Blacks who find themselves unable to get into anything but a Black college, Asiatics who suddenly find there’s prejudice against them on college applications – tough cookies.   You decided it wasn’t important.   Whose fault is that?

As for Trump, he’s got a problem.   Blaming failure on a party that has managed to put itself totally out of power is not going to work very well.   And his program as currently stated (seems to change hourly) will not work, apart from billions for billionaires.   That seems to be firmly in place.

Currently (see above caveat) the proposal is for a trillion dollars for infrastructure – based on tax forgiveness of several kinds.   While this puts dollars into the pockets of those with PROFITABLE bits of infrastructure to build, such as hyperloop, it does not one damn thing for such items as public highways, dams, bridges, municipal water supplies, sewer systems and so forth.

Moreover, these profitable bits of infrastructure are all on the coasts.   Every single one.   Flyover country is going to be passed over.  Again.

Coal?   There’s a magic wand in the presidents desk that can make worked out mines fill up with anthracite again?   Really?

The fact is that O&M costs (and if you don’t know what that means, go look it up) for natural gas, solar, wind and hydro have all gone under the costs of coal since 2012.  China has passed extreme pollution restrictions that are going into effect right now.   Same as above, look it up.   The market for dirty coal is going away rapidly, because it costs too much.   Tilting at that windmill may be REALLY satisfying, but you won’t get anything out of it.

Bring back the factories – they’ll come in with jobs for 100 software engineers, 100 mechanical engineers, and 10,000 robots.   Plus one guy hired as night watchman who also sweeps the floor.  He’s the blue collar job.

Wonder if those people in Wisconsin are going to feel really bubbly about Trump in four years?   I kind of doubt it.

edc12322 minutes ago

All people do is repeat what they are told and sold. You will not find any person who reflects on life and their place in it, voting for this regardless of what the Clintons did or did not do.  Stop fooling yourselves it is really getting tiring to listen anymore.  God the world is so bad, my life is so bad I think I will try the Devil and see if he can fix it.

Hicksville Kid23 minutes ago

More BS from the unhinged left living in their bubble. They should get out it and visit the Deplorables and get the real story. And stop using the term “fly-over country.” As was just proven, the left knows nothing about this country.

PDavjust now

@Hicksville Kid Aww, and here I was born in Ohio County Ky, and worked in coal mines for 17 years before seeing the handwriting on the wall and going to a new trade.    Gee, if I can’t use “flyover country”, who can?    ROFLMAO – don’t make stupid assumptions.

gardener27 minutes ago

Much like the failed  pollsters you are making predictions of the future based on liberal name calling. Do not write like you are are free thinking when indeed you are not. You are not a journalist. You are a writer doing the bidding od the DNC. You will never justify a “Bad Candidate.”

Oscar27 minutes ago

  Who the fúck decided to put AUTO-PLAYING, NOISE-MAKING SHÍT ON THIS PAGE?

Are you STUPID? You decided to disturb coworkers, wake up companions, and basically invade your readers’ space with OBNOXIOUS BULLSHÍT?

What a bunch of ássholes.

funboy31 minutes ago

So how many hollywood celebs have actually left?  Why are they still here?  I’m sure the Canadian immigration website is back up by now.  Please do what you said you would do and leave!

fieldsjj42 minutes ago

seriously.  what sort of opiate is the choice of this author.

and how in the wide wide world of sports does the author think they are qualified to make the judgements and pontifications that fall from the tongue like waste from a rectum.  IMHO you need therapy

mickeymat1 hour ago

As Mr.Lynch described Trump’s lack of qualifications, it did not make me think of him. Who do you suppose it DID make me think of?

MainelyDoc1 hour ago

@mickeymat The current President.

Oscar25 minutes ago

@MainelyDoc @mickeymat

Ah yes, the current president, who has a law degree and served as a senator. Unlike the upcoming president, who just had to shell out $25 million in settlements for ripping off students, and who doesn’t understand the basic principles of government.

But keep your head buried firmly in the sand (or your āss) for the continued descent of our country into the toilet, traitors.

danny700001 hour ago

Too cerebral and convoluted by far. Clinton lost because she couldn’t excite the Democratic base, which is young, diverse and craves charisma: Too old, too white and too boring. They stayed home and she lost.

mickeymat1 hour ago

@danny70000 Deciding to vote for a candidate based on the color of their skin is racist. But you must have known that since even Democrats used to say that themselves in a world of long ago.

MainelyDoc1 hour ago

There is no mention of the open corruption of the Clinton Family with Bill acting as bag man for Secretary of State and President-to-be Hillary and Chelsea indulging herself to the profits of the Clinton “Foundation”.   There is no mention of Hillary’s incessant lying. There is no mention the disastrous campaign strategy of the Clinton campaign… they didn’t even try to win 270 electoral votes… simple.

giacomo0071 hour ago

@MainelyDoc

Clinton tried to lose? That’s a new one.

MainelyDoc1 hour ago

@giacomo007 @MainelyDoc She didn’t try to win.  All she needed was 270 electoral votes….  You know, of course, that she never personally campaigned in Wisconsin after her PRIMARY victory there.   Yet she went to Nebraska… NEBRASKA..  repeatedly and she went to Arizona.. repeatedly.  It made NO sense to ignore populous states that were much easier to win.  That was simply stupid!  KelleyAnne Conway can count unlike, apparently, Podesta, Mook and Company.  But, ultimately, the decision of where to campaign falls to the candidate herself.  She ran a stupid campaign.

Hicksville Kid16 minutes ago

Winnng an election in a constitutional republic is a difficult chess game. Trump and Kelly-Ann played it like grand masters of the game. PAIPS, Podesta and Mookie were playing checkers and going for the landslide win. It showed but the author of this piece still doesn’t know it.

Velocitorjust now

@Hicksville Kid Arrogance explains this. They were so self-assured that Hillary couldn’t lose, they set a ridiculously lax campaign schedule, whereby Hillary was often not visible for days at a time, when Trump was doing several large rallies each day, in diverse areas. The mainstream print and broadcast media no doubt bolstered Hillary’s delusion of inevitability, with their overweighted polls, and their smug underestimating reporting of Trump’s chances.

Clinton ran a campaign premised on the idea that it was “her turn”, and expected the general population to go along with that. They didn’t.

danny700001 hour ago

@MainelyDoc  All true, but irrelevant, because the Democratic base doesn’t follow the news or reality. They think SNL and Colbert are news shows.

MainelyDoc1 hour ago

@danny70000 @MainelyDoc Frankly, all the Ted Knights on the “mainstream” media shows (including Fox) continue to think that they’re serious “journalists”. I think they’re funnier to watch than SNL and Colbert.  (Well, at least as funny!)

Oscar21 minutes ago

@MainelyDoc

“There is no mention of the open corruption of the Clinton Family”

Right, because day after day, comment after stupid comment, there IS NO “corruption.” That’s the hallmark of Trumptards: empty accusations with NO citations, NO facts, NO evidence. And yet Trump is a proven liar almost DAILY. He rips off contractors who work for him, rips off students (and just had to pay $25 million to them), and embarrasses our nation with infantile tweets and a total ignorance of world affairs and government.

So… what’s your problem again? What is all this confirmed “corruption” you’re babbling about?

edc1233 minutes ago

@Oscar @MainelyDoc They will see what corruption is in the next four years.  I mean do people really think that a wise guy can change.  They think hardworking people that pay their taxes are dupes and losers. The master is in charge now and he will show you how it is done.  Things may look better for a while to a lot of people but eventually reality will and has to be dealt with.  How will you know let us start with how many bullshit promises will not be kept as a start.

John Spray1 hour ago

Hey…up here in the ‘great white’ we can only laugh and point fingers. I for one feel like I’m watching a reprise of ‘How the Grinch Stole Christmas’. Trump’s promise of ye ol’ ‘big rock candy mountain’ will make he and his cronies richer, but the coming bigge recession caused by his goofy trade ideas will further gut the middle class. Trump will create a grand total of minus millions of jobs…unless bubba  and his ilk want to crawl out of their rusting Airstreams, put down their Budweisers and take the cucumber picking and dishwashing positions now open as the deportation cops sally forth.

Sufferd4 hours ago

From the other side of the pond: this will be fun to watch! To paraphrase Will Rogers: “A fool and his money are elected”.

jeffersons words4 hours ago

wow– another member of the “clown posse” heard from. how about the fact that she honestly told one of her core constituencies, they she planned to do away with their jobs and since they weren’t college educated, need not apply at the “Clinton foundation” for work unless they were willing to sweep floors or make a run to starbucks. now all the government jobs checking water and air and who’s wearing their bicycle helmet can apply at the foundation for the next Clinton circus.

Oscar16 minutes ago

@jeffersons words

Huh, what a shocker: No citations, no evidence, no proof. Standard for a Trumpling. And yet the world has been treated to almost daily proof of Trump’s lies.

I mean… he said the Electoral College is “a disaster for democracy.” Direct quote. And yet he LOST the popular vote, and only stands a chance to ruin our country because of the Electoral College. So I’m sure he won’t mind if the EC votes along with the rest of the nation and elects Clinton president.

I’m sure the “liberal media” made up Trump’s tweets, right: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/11/15/trumps-flip-flop-on-the-electoral-college-from-disaster-to-genius

RIGHT?

PMac55635 hours ago

Decades of lies about Hillary are what killed her chances.  And, unsurprisingly, the less educated were the ones who believed them.  I cringed at the outset of her candidacy knowing the extent of anti-Hillary sentiment that’s been brewing for decades, fueled constantly by the Right. The constant sloganeering of “crooked Hillary,” “emails” “Benghazi” had an effect when shouted every day, though most Trump supporters couldn’t explain what any of those issues are about.  I can’t tell you how many times people have explained their disdain for Hillary with a simple “I just don’t like her,” unable to elaborate in the slightest when pressed.

My own problem with Hillary is that she ignored the rather obvious hatred against her and decided it was her turn.  And the DNC ignored this, too, and put a thumb on the scale.  The writer blames neoliberalism, and Democratic “elites,” (a label which seems to fit himself) but I blame propaganda, plain and simple.  Bernie Sanders came with no such baggage, and was a better candidate certainly.  But his and Clinton’s platforms were nearly identical.

This is not meant to be a defense of Hillary Clinton.  I’ll hold a black spot in my mind for her, not for anything she’s done wrong, but for the hubris that led us all to this.

The article above is nonsense, I believe, as are so many of these “day after” told-you-so’s. If the writer felt this way he should have said it BEFORE THE ELECTION.  It just seems pathetic now.

kcwookie5 hours ago

@PMac5563 You are full of it. Hillary did this to herself and now her actions are going to really hurt a lot of people who don’t deserve to be hurt. This isn’t a game, real people are going to have their live trash, or further destroyed. Hillary has a long history of forgetting who was the base of the Democratic party, then again so have the DNC for most of the time.

Hillary helped gut the Aid to Dependent Families with Children so it could be replaced with the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).  Hilary was heavily involved in creating that welfare reform bill. Why did she and America’s First Black President do that? They did it to pander to white voters so that Bill would be re-elected. Why did she have to be shamed into supporting Fight for $15, pandering for white votes. Why was she silent when DWS got in bed with the Godless Conservatives to kill regulation on Pay Day Loans?

Hillary was a garbage candidate who believed she was entitled to the office because it was her turn. Instead, she is going to destroy the Obama legacy and hurt a lot of people.

This is not a game…

PMac55635 hours ago

@kcwookie @PMac5563 Do you honestly believe that Clinton lost a single vote due to the reasons you state?  Ridiculous.  I assume you didn’t read my entire post, since you disagree with me by repeating my own points

I’m curious – did you vote for Trump?  Not vote?  Or did you vote for the candidate that you think is garbage?  We all had a crappy choice to make on November 8.  At least stand behind that decision.

KevJ12 hours ago

What seems pathetic, are your reasoning skills. Clinton’s LIES, not LIES about her, did her and her pathetic party in. Since 2009, under Barack Hussein Obama’s liberal ideology, the Democrats lost more than 1200 political seats across the country. Defeat after defeat, your party was so sure that their message was right, the messenger was right, but as Johnny Gruber pointed out so elequently, the people are just too stupid to know what’s good for them. The party became so good at lying, the minions bought into it.

President Elect Donald J Trump, like myself, was a Democrat. He played the. game and beat the two covetted political parties and the liberal media in just 18 months. I sorta feel sad for the liberal snowflakes, who were never taught the meaning of the word NO. Poor things. They are so unprepared for the real world. Yet the Idol’s they need now for guidance can’t teach them something that they themselves don’t know.

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Oscar8 minutes ago

@KevJ1

Once again, another know-nothing mewling about Clinton’s “lies,” with NOT A SINGLE EXAMPLE. It’s pathetic. Trump’s lies were documented and proven almost DAILY; and yet after months of hype and analysis of these world-threatening E-mails, they found… NOTHING. Nothing to harm our country. Nothing of consequence at all.

Hm, kind of like Iraq. Remember the last time we elected a dumb-shít president? Yeah, apparently the willfully ignorant traitors in “red” states have decided to forget, and to disrespect the thousands of American soldiers killed for nothing in a war based on LIES.

Yeah, so the “red” states (which from which a great many servicemen and servicewomen hail) have elected a grossly unqualified blowhard WHO MOCKED THE PARENTS OF A DEAD SOLDIER. Who MOCKED A DISABLED REPORTER. This scumbag would be a shame on an elementary-school playground, let alone as the president of a once-great nation.

Do you think about how far we’ve fallen, that this infantile turd now represents “American values?” If you’re cheering this, you are a traitor. You can wail and moan all you want, but you can’t avoid that truth: You are cheering the demise of the USA.

Hippolyte Vermeer6 hours ago

CLINTON YUPPIE TRAITORS AND THE MEDIA DID THIS TO AMERICA! HOLD A NEW US ELECTION NOW!

“Trump’s alleged popularity was based on the presidential primary results, in which the Republican candidate won a total of 785 votes.

785 voters were enough to paint McDowell County as the poster child of regressive right-wing populism.

Nowhere was it mentioned that Bernie Sanders won 1,488 votes in the same primaries – almost twice as many as Trump!”

Trump’s victory came from many segments of America, including some who embrace his proto-fascist rantings. But for millions of Americans who have been suffering due to the policies of both parties over the last few decades, many of their votes were a direct result of his promises, regardless of how bogus they are, to attack trade deals that hurt the working class, bring back jobs, and protect Social Security, along with his middle finger allegedly aimed at the elites and their establishment politics.

The Democratic leaders made his job easy for him by derailing Sanders’ bid for the nomination and doubling down on their anti-working-class neoliberal agenda, aided inexplicably and shamefully by most of the top leadership of the unions.

Well, the media got what it wanted. On November 8, McDowell County, in the absence of a left alternative, voted 75% to 23% for Trump.

https://lawcha.org/wordpress/2016/11/15/misrepresenting-white-working-slass-self-fulfilling-prophecies-mcdowell-county/

jeffersons words4 hours ago

@Hippolyte Vermeer she ran on her resume’ which was very thin on accomplishments. she felt it was “her turn” and spent most of her life running against a so-called “glass-ceiling” rather then discuss what she might do for millions of jobless Americans. as rick says at the end of “Casablanca”, she’ll always have little rock.

David of 34th6 hours ago

I have two points to proffer.   The second point, denominated the “Final but unfinished idea,” is more interesting.  The first point centers on economics; the second point on similarities between Trumpism  and Hitlerian Europe.

1)Toward the latter part of this essay, the author expects Trump to fail the working class.  Given Trump’s abominable traits, one would normally expect that to be true.  However, I think working class whites may see a surge in their weallth — Trump might exploit matters in a manner similar to the way Reagan exploited the situation when he took power.

When Reagan ran for president, he assailed Carter for allowing the federal deficit to increase (Republicans always ran against deficits).  However, economists knew that the country could use more, not less, fiscal stimulus — however most people, and the mainstream media, never heard of John Maynard Keynes and shun deficits.  When Reagan took power he did the thing which would boost the economy but which no one would let Carter do.  Reagan increased deficits enormously, and the economy boomed.  When Obama took power, everyone who really knew economics understood that a huge increase in the deficit was needed.  Obama increased the deficit, but he was prevented from giving us a deficit that was as big as we needed.

Although Obama wasn’t allowed to do what most economists knew was the proper thing, i.e., increase the deficit enormously, Trump, like Reagan, will be allowed to do this — many news reports relate that Trump plans to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS on infrastructure, roads, bridges, etc.

Although incomes for construction workers might soar, most consequences of Trump’s victory will be abysmal.  We are treading closer to fascism every day.

FINAL BUT UNFINISHED IDEA:

The author refers to the “impotent elitism of liberals.”  This eerily resembles something Hannah Arendt said in her epic analysis on Totalitarianism.  She said that there was an upsurge in anti Semitism  because people saw the Jews as being rich but essentially weak and impotent and that this incited a desire to destroy the Jews.  I was never sure exactly what Arendt was trying to say.   Given the fact that today the nativism and bigotry of Trumpism resembles Germany in the thirties in so many ways (And any one who doesn’t think so hasn’t read enough history), I think we should further examine Arendt’s claim that the weakness of wealthy Jews fueled anti Jewish bigotry and this author’s contention that liberal elites are impotent.   Is there something common to both situations. Does weakness generally incite rage or revulsion.

PMac55635 hours ago

@David of 34th As to your second idea:  I don’t think that perceived weakness played a part.  Any good fascist leader understands the value of a scapegoat, and Hitler was no exception.  When things are going bad for the masses it’s handy to have someone to blame their problems on. There was a false idea spread that the Jews hadn’t earned their wealth through honest labor, which helped to incite hatred against them.

Critical 13 hours ago

@David of 34th – right, Obama added more to the National debt than any president in history by a long shot. You want to add more?  Do you realise what happens when the fed prints money?  Do you have even a basic understanding of macro economics? You are exactly the reason why the Democratic party hasn’t been this irrelevant in a century. Schumer and Pelosi should grease the skids into extinction by the mid terms in 2 years.  Add more debt? Unbelievable.

No More Lies6 hours ago

Decent article but fails to mention Bernie Sanders and the massive fraud and suppression committed against his campaign and most importantly, against his supporters. We were demonized and lied about by not only Clinton’s campaign but her entire mainstream media propaganda machine (including Salon), vilified as the exact opposite of everything we stand for, and day after day cheated and bullied as we tried to voice our concerns and vote.

Even after the primaries, they tried to insult and extort us into voting for her even though her policies, record, entourage, lack of integrity, and incessant threats of war are our worst nightmare. Now after her loss, we’re blamed by the establishment for not coming out in droves for their monarch.

And they just don’t bloody learn. They’ve been too privileged for too long; they don’t know how to take responsibility for their own actions and failures, blaming everyone but themselves.

Sorry, neoliberals. Stop destroying the people and planet, and stop causing Trumpism in the first place, and then we’ll talk.

SlapOfTruth6 hours ago

@No More Lies

Not to mention crying wolf…they accused all us Bernie fans of being sexist…completely wrong and now Trumpsters are using that by saying all accusations of racism and sexism are wrong when a big part of his base clearly is racist and sexist. The Clintonistas failed by attacking the wrong people.

Hippolyte Vermeer5 hours ago

@No More Lies

CLINTON YUPPIE TRAITORS AND THE MEDIA DID THIS TO AMERICA!

HOLD A NEW US ELECTION NOW!

“Trump’s alleged popularity was based on the presidential primary results, in which the Republican candidate won a total of 785 votes.

785 voters were enough to paint McDowell County as the poster child of regressive right-wing populism.

Nowhere was it mentioned that Bernie Sanders won 1,488 votes in the same primaries – almost twice as many as Trump!”

Trump’s victory came from many segments of America, including some who embrace his proto-fascist rantings. But for millions of Americans who have been suffering due to the policies of both parties over the last few decades, many of their votes were a direct result of his promises, regardless of how bogus they are, to attack trade deals that hurt the working class, bring back jobs, and protect Social Security, along with his middle finger allegedly aimed at the elites and their establishment politics.

The Democratic leaders made his job easy for him by derailing Sanders’ bid for the nomination and doubling down on their anti-working-class neoliberal agenda, aided inexplicably and shamefully by most of the top leadership of the unions.

Well, the media got what it wanted. On November 8, McDowell County, in the absence of a left alternative, voted 75% to 23% for Trump.

https://lawcha.org/wordpress/2016/11/15/misrepresenting-white-working-slass-self-fulfilling-prophecies-mcdowell-county/

Zingen635 hours ago

Hold a new US election now! Seriously? Like….a Mulligan? I know that when I was in school they held civics classes. Apparently not in your school.

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Conservatives Are No Longer The Center Or Majority Of The Republican Party

 

What has Mr. Trump done to the Republican Party? The answers to that are many I’m sure, some good, some bad, some real bad, but at least he is bringing life to a dying old white man’s party like it has not seen in our life times. I am an independent whom most times tend to vote Republican, but not always. Until I learned more about him, I had been rooting for Senator Rubio, now I am for Senator Sanders as a first choice, then Donald Trump as a second choice. This is my first two choices of the remaining four possibilities of people who we will get to vote for. I said four because even though I personally believe he would be the best President of the five remaining candidates, I think he has the least chance of the five of getting their party’s final blessing, this person is Governor Kasich of Ohio. Because I do not believe that Governor Kasich has any chance at all I look at the reps from each party as having two possible people to choose from. Senator Sanders has brought out many new voters to the Democratic Party as Mr. Trump has done with the Republican Party. There are many lessons the main stream media as well as the talking heads on their news programs are learning, slowly but they are being force-fed reality.

 

For the Republican Party the lesson is simple, most people in our country either never bothered to register to vote or were registered but just don’t tend to bother because you as a Party never bothered to put a candidate up for Office that was worth voting for. Our media here in America as well as the Party’s themselves have grown comfortable with the theology that if you are a Democrat you are a liberal and if you are a Republican then you were a conservative but the reality is that this assumption is not correct. Within most party’s of any size there are different levels of devoutness to the leaderships policies, but because you yourself are of a minority group within the Party, you tend to stay quiet, you only strike for changes when you become the majority within your Party. Most folks know that a decade or so back a political movement was born in America called the Tea Party which aligned themselves with the Republicans, just a more conservative version of the main stream Leadership on policy issues. Since then the Tea Party has put up many different people to run against sitting Republican Congress and Senate members because this group doesn’t consider the sitting member as being conservative enough. We have forgotten a group of people in this discussion and this would be the members of the Republican Party whom happen to be more Liberal in thought than the current sitting Leadership. Liberal and Republican, never, those two words can’t go together in the same sentence can they? But yes there are many, millions in fact, they are called, the disenchanted.

 

Disenchanted as in those who oppose the Democrats platform flat-out so they won’t vote for them but you, the Leadership of the Congress and Senate within the Republican Party keep putting up candidates that are so Conservative that they won’t vote for them either. But now Mr. Trump comes into your equation and blows your stats all to helium. You and the talking heads and the Media folks just can’t figure things out, folks the problem is you yourself. If all the people in this country did actually vote the Republicans and the Democrats would find that the extreme majority of the American people whether they are Democratic, Republican or Independent do lean toward the middle. We the people are sick and tired of gridlock in D.C. and at state and local levels, we want you to compromise on most things so that the Nation as a whole can rock and roll! It is you the main stream politicians who are the most guilty for screwing up our Country! Mr. Trump and these new followers of the Republican Party are talking to you the Republican Party Leadership, if you want to keep your job, you better listen. As an Independent I am telling the Republican Party Leadership that the worse thing that could happen to your Party is if an extremist like Senator Cruz becomes your Party’s Candidate. I say extremist like Mr. Cruz because he has made it his platform that ”he will not negotiate with the Democrats”. Folks he is the king of gridlock! The majority of the American people are ‘Moderates’, we are not Liberals and we are not Conservative. The Party that understands that first and adapts their ‘platforms’ accordingly will win the most elections. After all isn’t you staying in Office what your politics are all about?

 

 

Paul Ryan Was And Is The Wrong Person For The Republican Party

 

Obviously this is simply my opinion of this current situation the Republican Party leadership finds themselves in. I do not dislike Mr Ryan, as far as I know he is, for a politician, a pretty straight up kind of person. Personally I had never even heard of Mr Ryan until Mr Romney chose him as a running partner in 2012. I just had a short face to face debate with my Father-in-law that I know surprised him. You see he is a hard-core Republican with a strong Christian right views, so am I so it surprised him when I took a center-est view against hard-core Conservative Tea Party actions regarding how they have been and are screwing up the Republican Party and the whole political system in Washington. This is why I am against Mr Ryan becoming the new Speaker of the House, America does not need a Speaker who will not work with both sides of the aisle. Right now in the Republican Party the Tail is wagging the Dog.

 

Back in 2012 when it became clear that Mr Romney was the Republican nominee the attention went to whom would he choose as a running mate. Those of you who know me you know that I have a very lousy opinion of Mr Obama so it was important to folks that feel like I do as to whom Mr Romney would choose as a running mate. Personally I was really hoping he would choose Senator Marco Rubio of Florida. Here are my reasons why, in my opinion Mr Romney being a wealthy North-east Yankee white guy (to some folks this stupidity still matters), if he was going to have any chance at all to win, the worse thing he could possibly do would be to put another Yankee white male on the ticket. This is where Mr Ryan came into the picture for me. So, we all know that Mr Obama is still our President, Mr Romney and Mr Ryan went down to defeat.

 

Mr Ryan was the wrong person for that job (Vice President), and he is at this time, the wrong person for the Speakers job. I believe that Mr Ryan would be a great person to have a job like being the head of the Treasury Department, he seems to be a very smart and capable person. Even though my personal political views are slanted toward Christian views, thus making me a Conservative in today’s political climate. I know though that I and a huge portion of the population are sick and tired of party politics where nothing positive ever gets accomplished because of their posturing. Personally I wish that Mike Huckabee could be our next President but I know very well that he will never win that job. In our current cultures here in America a current or former Minister is never going to that Office, it is just not going to happen. Christians and Conservatives must face up to reality on the ground, we are looked at as “the bad guys” in the media because in the Republican Party has the 20% wagging the 80% and folks, that equals a sure defeat next November.

 

Part of my reasoning about Mr Romney needing to not choose a white northern male as a partner was my belief that the ticket had to appeal to more than northern white males if the Republicans really wanted to unseat Mr Obama. I personally don’t like it that humans care about what part of the country a person is from or  what nationality a person happens to be. We can never choose what part of a country we are born in nor can we dictate what skin color we will have on us when we come out of the womb so why do we humans put stock in such things when God obviously doesn’t? But the fact on the ground in 2012 was and is, people do care, at least a lot of people do so in my opinion. Mr Romney needed a Southern or South-western running mate. Also Mr Romney did not poll well with minorities, Mr Rubio would have helped him carry a lot of America’s Hispanic voters, taking those same votes away from Mr Obama. Another factor was the fact that Florida is a huge Delegate State and it was one that Mr Romney had to win if he was going to win the Presidency, Senator Rubio would have been able to bring Florida to the Republican camp.  The Republicans did not win Florida and they did not win the White House.

 

Mr Ryan was simply the wrong person at that time to be on the underside of that ticket. Mr Ryan was chosen because of pressure from the Conservative side of the Republican Party establishment. These same were very unhappy that Mr Romney was their candidate, they felt that he was way to Liberal. This is where Mr Ryan pops up on the national stage, odd though isn’t it, he is a Conservative who now at this moment is being undercut by people in his party that say he is not conservative enough for them. What I guess I am saying is that the Republican Party must go toward the center if they are going to be relevant in the near future. The 80% or so of the Republican Party must take control of the party from the loud and well-funded conservative side of their party if they have any interest in getting anything at all positive passed through Congress. The American people are sick and tired of the stale mate and the game playing and the Republican ‘right’ is the target getting the most blame in ‘our’ government. What I am saying is that if you as a Congressman or Senator are willing you can search for and find common ground on some bills that give you some of the things you wanted passed even though you still have a lot of things on your parties wish list yet to get accomplished. Folks, some victories are better than no victories. You know the motto ‘do no harm’, folks a gridlocked Congress is doing a lot of harm to the same human beings that you swore to protect. To me, if the Republican Party installs Mr Ryan as the Speaker of the House it is a sure sign of more gridlock to come. I personally have nothing at all against Mr Ryan, I simply believe that the more moderate Republicans need to grow a pair and the more conservative Democrats need to do the same, meet in the middle an lets start taking care of the people’s need inside our own country first then you can work outward if you can or so wish.— Well, these are just an old mans thoughts, hope it entertained you for a few moments in your busy day.

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